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diff --git a/drafts/on_humanae_vitae.rst b/drafts/on_humanae_vitae.rst deleted file mode 100644 index 4f4f049..0000000 --- a/drafts/on_humanae_vitae.rst +++ /dev/null @@ -1,267 +0,0 @@ -On Humanae Vitae -################ - -:date: 1970-01-01T00:00:00 -:status: draft -:category: faith -:tags: cultureWar, Catholics, infallibility, blogComment - -View in discussion -Discussion on First Things 35 comments -Humanae Vitae | Peter M. J. Stravinskas -mcepl -mcepl pt8685 6 days ago - -Which of course is completely irrelevant. When I am talking about NFP -I don't mean the fact that ovulating woman are less likely (on unable?) -to conceive. I am talking about NFP as a method to find out when that -moment is. And in that aspect I found NFP as completely unreliable. - -mcepl pt8685 16 days ago - -Yeah, that’s a good one! I will surely remember it. - -Fortunately for us, my wife’s cycle used to be very regular. We could -(and we did for couple of years) do just counting days as our -contraceptive technique, because we knew always pretty surely where we -are in the cycle. We have tried to do NFP as well, but even though we -knew what actually is going on in her body we were never able to do any -head and toes from temperatures or any physical signs on her body (I -don’t want to get into too much gory details here). I was strictly -against the Pill then, not because of the false dichotomy between NFP -and contraception, but because I was worried to mix with my wife’s body -while we still hoped to have more children, so I am very glad the days -counting worked for us. What would we do with my wife’s cycle being less -reliable, I don’t know, and I am very glad I didn’t have to deal with -it. But certainly the last thing in the world would be to trust NFP. - -mcepl 18 days ago - -Could you please explain me how from your nonsensical babble on the -verse about circumcision it follows that my wife should endanger her -health (she has MS, so further pregnancy could very well lead to another -attack), why my friend should endanger her marriage (their fourth child -is severely disabled so taking care of her stretches the family to its -limits)? Or is all your talk about sanctity of sex just nonsense and you -really believe that all should lead the only really truly holy celibate -life as you? I really believe that exactly such irresponsible nonsense -leads to complete loss of credibility of the Catholics in any discussion -on the contraception. Yes, I am angry, because of this nonsense we have -lost all Catholics from the debate about the real issues of life into -this cesspit of ignorance. Not mentioning that I actually love my wife -and care about her more than about your infallibility. - -Discussion on Echo24.cz 43 comments -Zajatci virtuality. Hloupý lidovec, Hitler a morální policisté -mcepl -mcepl Stanislav Cerman 9 days ago - - -Předpokládám, že to je házení perel sviním, ale mezi panem Kalendou -a Vašim nadáváním na komunisty vidím několik drobných rozdílů: pan -Kalenda není jenom tak někdo, ale politik reprezentující stranu, která -se tváří jako slušná; a jako taková ho má naprosto všechny práva na -světě vyhodit ho ze svých řad, protože ji dělá ostudu. KDÚ jsem volil -a pokud by s ním okamžitě nevyrazili futro, tak bych o jejich slušnosti -velice vážně zapochyboval. - -Pokud Vám to nepřipadne správné, tak zkuste veřejně říkat nebo udělat něco co může silně poškodit Vašeho zaměstnavatele. Pak nám sdělte co bude následovat. - -Nevím, jestli to myslel vážně (a popravdě řečeno mě to ani moc -nezajímá), ale jako politik se dal do kšeftu s image a pokud to nevěděl, -tak v politice nemá co dělat. - -Další rozdíl je v tom, že pravděpodobně se mu nestane nic dalšího než že -odejde z politiky (alespoň doufám, že to udělá, a neskončí u někoho -jiného), najde si nějaké poctivé zaměstnání, a bude alespoň svobodný -říkat kde chce co chce. - -Gay Marriage and Religious Freedom | R. R. Reno - -BTW, I have to also mention this ... I have incredibly strong feeling -that before we can talk about that speck of the tax non-exemption, there -is a log all believers should take care of. What about that? - -Before we can cry how we have God-given right of being tax exempt (we -don't), we should probably acknowledge a terrible abuse which does -happen with this right. I have no clue what to do about it, but it seems -a bit hypocritical not to mention it. - -I am afraid the author puts the question in a wrong order. It should not -be "Why to support religious non-profit organizations?" (we should -support them of course), but "Why not to suppport non-religious NGOs?". -And I don't think he gives a good answer on the latter. - ---------------- - -I won't give you chapter and verse, but get yourself into Desert Fathers -or some more ascetic literature and you'll get that. However, exact -quarrel about this was not the point of what I wanted to say. - -I will happily let you, Catholics, to fight this among yourselves. -http://lmgtfy.com/?q=humane+vi... and you will find hundreds of opinions -(including some of them from seemingly quite authoritative authors). -Having no interest in getting into that debate myself too much, let me -stand aside. - -Besides, somebody here corrected me that my problem is not that much -papal infallibility as much as infallibility of magisterium. - -mcepl LeoXIII 21 days ago - -Medicine is denying the will of God, until the middle ages many in -Christendom agreed with this. How dare you stop somebody from dying when -the God decided that one should die? - -What I am trying to say is that with this silly absolutes, you won't get -far in the discussion. And, BTW, the argument about stopping a wife from -conceiving as against the will of God doesn’t seem to me that much -different. - -mcepl Iowa_Lawyer 22 days ago - -Thank you for very thoughtful and concise reply. Could you elaborate, -please? Perhaps I am not as ignorant as you try to make me? - - -I completely agree that behind Humane Vitae lurks a way deeper issue and -that is the infallibility of pope/magisterium. I am not a Catholic -myself (and even less I am a theologian), but I believe that the papal -infallibility is one of the biggest problems for the credibility of the -Church in the Western world. Anyway, as I said I am not a Catholic so -the issue of papal infallibility (and confused misunderstanding of the -distinction between the Universal and Roman-Catholic Church, which I am -afraid is one of the sources of the papal infallibility) are not much -interest of me. - -What is the interest and what I see as the very evil fruit of Humane -Vitae is that by pushing the official Catholic doctrine to the -indefensible corner and discarding any credibility of Catholics to talk -on the reproductive issue for any non-Catholic, there is now missing -voice in the discussion. I do believe that abortion is a murder, and -I do believe (and I did promise in my marriage vows), that accepting -children God gives us is an inseparable part of the marriage. However, -neither of these positions is absolute (e.g., even the civil law knows -that there are situations when killing of other person is legitimate; -isn't the situation when the life and health of the mother is in danger -one of these?) and I believe there is need for continuous discussion on -the topic. I would love to have voice of conservative Catholics -participate in such discussion. Unfortunately, they are mostly silenced -because of the lost credibility and inability to formulate any other -opinion than blindly recite Humane Vitae’s dogmatic statements. - -I would be grateful for HV to be one voice in the discussion, but it -seems obvious that some of its statements turned out to be too extreme -and they should be moderated or elaborated. Unfortunately they cannot be -because popes consider themselves to be better than other humans and so -they cannot say “I am sorry, this was a bit off” about some deeds of -their predecessors. Enough, I am starting to be too aggressive. 2 - ------------------ - -Luther Reading Challenge | Sarah Hinlicky Wilson - -Just when talking about Luther I have to mention -https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/039... … one of the five books which changed -most my life. - - -------------------------- - -Discussion on Catholic Authenticity 26 comments -My Libido: A Mosquito - -Well, for one “asexual” is for the other one gifted with the gift of -celibacy (1 Corinthians 7:7-9). And of course, it is just right and -proper if every Christians follows his/her calling. However, I have -problems (yes, I am a Protestant) when the calling is exchanged with the -office. E.g., it is my opinion that John Wesley (the great English -leader of the Methodist revival in the 18th century) had a gift of -celibacy, because he came rationally to the conclusion that a pastor -should give an example to his parishioners and be married (although he -lived for many many years without a significant problems and his -ministry schedule could be an example for 1Co 7:32b how he was incapable -of maitaining a good married relationship). Although I don't think he -ever did anything immoral, I am also afraid that his marriage was more -or less disaster. And of course, I am afraid, that the similar mistake -(just in the other direction) is a case for many Catholic priests. - -mcepl captcrisis 2 months ago - -Well, Augustine had (especially around sexuality) his own issues, what -I meant was that Bible is here remarkably egalitarian ... “husband does -not have authority over his own body”. - -mcepl 2 months ago - -> I was complaining to God about what a lustful, brutish, inconsiderate -> lout he was - -Yes, I have to admit that being a guy with similar low libido (actually, -as a former lawyer there are moments when I can very much prefer exactly -Lex Visigothorum to my wife ;)) I can understand the author's cited -feelings. Except, the Bible has something else to say about this: - -> For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the -> husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own -> body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another ... [exceptions -> follow] - -So much for the Paul's supposed preference for celibacy! - -Which are exactly the moments, when I would rather throw the Holy Bible -out of the window. Choosing the obedience to it may be quite difficult -at times. - ----------------- - -Liberal Limits—and Our Opportunity | Brandon McGinley - -Exactly, I am not an American myself (only have a law degree from US -university), so I may not have facts correct, but from the legal point -of view the abandonment of the US Constitution (which requires -a Constitutional Amendment for the large scale changes of constitution) -started somewhere with FDR ("general welfare" was understood as a right -to ignore all limits on the executive power; show me in the -Constitution's enumerated powers place for FCC, SEC, etc.?) or with -Brown v. Board of Education (however I like its holding, of course, it -was going around the legislative process as well). Roe v. Wade and -similar disasters just walked on the path already prepared. - -Isn't strange that the last amendment with the serious implications of -the life of ordinary people was 19th (that's 1920)? - ----------------- - -Discussion on First Things 60 comments -The Church and the “New Normal” | George Weigel - -Does - -> But too much of the Church’s clerical and lay leadership lost its -> nerve after Humanae Vitae. - -Do you mean that you are sorry for too much energy spent on defending -this encyclical? That would be an interesting thought, which I would -tend to agree with. - ----------------- - -Discussion on First Things 10 comments -Liberalism and the Church | David T. Koyzis - -I don’t think you are quoting Locke in the right context. In his essay -on understanding he explicitly tried to look at the religion from the -political/legal point of view, and he expressly didn't want to -distinguish between Christianity and Islam or other religions, and he -didn't want to make a theological statement. From such point of view -I believe it is perfectly legitimate to consider all religions only as -a civic associations, ignoring their revealed part. - -Just to the contrary there is a strange link between political -liberalism of the nineteenth century and rather personal faith. Lord -Acton seems to me for example way more involved in his faith than for -example Burke (as much as I admire his political thoughts), who quite -passionately disliked all kinds of Christian enthusiasm, because -religion was for him mainly bearer of tradition (see his comments on -Methodism). |