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author | Matěj Cepl <mcepl@cepl.eu> | 2017-08-09 21:16:06 +0200 |
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Two more articles on the Church infallibility
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diff --git a/faith/holy_protestant_tradition.rst b/faith/holy_protestant_tradition.rst new file mode 100644 index 0000000..7afaa24 --- /dev/null +++ b/faith/holy_protestant_tradition.rst @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +The Holy Protestant Tradition? +############################## + +:date: 2017-08-06T11:14:39 +:category: faith +:tags: blogComment, Catholics, ecumenism, Bible, theology + +(written originally as a comment to the blogpost “`How Many +Theologians Does it Take To Define Infallibility?`_” by Melinda +Selyms) + +I am a Protestant, so I am not entitled to bring much to this +discussion, but we were yesterday with my wife in Wittenberg, so +I cannot resist to add this quote: + + “Unless I am convinced by the testimony of the Scriptures or + by clear reason (for I do not trust either in the pope or in + councils alone, since it is well known that they have often + erred and contradicted themselves), I am bound by the + Scriptures I have quoted and my conscience is captive to the + Word of God. I cannot and will not recant anything, since it + is neither safe nor right to go against conscience. [Here + I stand, I can do no other.] May God help me. Amen.” It is + almost 500 years old, but I find it refreshingly actual + whenever I hear it. + +As I understand it, Sola Scriptura originally did not mean (or it +should not mean, I don’t see inside of the Luther’s head) +something like “Just give me my Bible and ten minutes and we, +with the Holy Spirit, come with better solution than two thousand +years of people a way more holy, certainly a way more smart than +me, who dedicated their whole lives to dealing with such +questions full time”. Yes, some Protestants seem to understand it +this way, but it seems to me they are more full of that horrible +combination of ignorance and arrogance than of the Holy Spirit +and wisdom. Heck, we have now even 500 years of tradition of +creating the church without any tradition! You just cannot get +rid of it! + +Now, the real question is, how to find out in this cacophony of +thoughts quite often contradicting (as Luther correctly noted) +what is the right answer for the question at hand. Catholic idea +of having somebody appointed who will decide (bishops, pope, or +the council) is not that bad, but, again, it has its limitations. +Obviously some councils are now more persuasive than others, some +are outright problematic (I won't name any, so we don't fall into +the endless hole discussing particular decisions of particular +council), answers provided by some are obviously dated. I do +sincerely believe that the Second Vatican Council was the work of +the Holy Spirit in the given moment. However, even accepting +that, I can clearly see an effect of more than fifty years since +it finished. Some questions which are now hotly debated it didn’t +address at all (e.g., Humanae vitae was published three years +after it finished), some answers seem to be limiting the church +now (that’s for example what I hear from my Catholic friends, +theologians, on the issues of ecumenical relations with +Protestants), and some answers were not brought into action yet +(one Czech Catholic theologian rembered couple of months ago in +the newspaper `The Pact of the Catacombs +<http://www.pro-konzil.de/english-text/>`__; … yes, it was not +an official decree of the council). + +However, as a Protestant I obviously believe that the decisions +made by the hierarchy are not the only solution of making sense +of the said cacophony. Whatever the solution is, however, +returning to the theme of Sola Scriptura, it should certainly +include The Holy Scripture as the guide and map for our life with +God. And yes, that is not a simple solution either, because then +we get into another swamp, the interpretation of the Scripture. + +.. _`How Many Theologians Does it Take To Define Infallibility?`: + http://www.patheos.com/blogs/catholicauthenticity/2017/08/many-theologians-take-define-infallibility/ diff --git a/faith/rules_in_faith_community.rst b/faith/rules_in_faith_community.rst new file mode 100644 index 0000000..7af13c2 --- /dev/null +++ b/faith/rules_in_faith_community.rst @@ -0,0 +1,65 @@ +Yet another on the infallibility in the Church +############################################## + +:date: 2017-08-09T21:02:04 +:category: faith +:tags: blogComment, Catholics, ecumenism, Bible, theology + +(written originally as yet another comment to the blogpost “`How Many +Theologians Does it Take To Define Infallibility?`_” by Melinda Selyms) + +First of all: thank you, these are very good questions, which actually made me +think (doesn’t happen that often on blog comments). + +1. Certainly, some rules are necessary even unavoidable, “Ubi societas, ibi + ius” (“where there is society, there is a law”). However, these are rules + mostly about organizing the community, dispute resolution, etc., not what + people should believe (e.g., Immaculate Conception) or what they should do + outside of the group (e.g., no sex before marriage, unless sexual + intercourse is part of the community activity ;), yikes!). + +2. There are probably some rules about what makes the group the Christian one. + They should not limit membership (I am strong believer in “belonging before + believing”, so even unbelievers should be members of the community, although + with some limited rights), but they should define the spirit and direction + of the community. I am a member of the international Protestant congregation + in Prague, Czechia, so members of our church come from a very wide + denominational background. We have members from American Episcopalians and + Norwegian Lutherans on one side to Pentecostals from Africa with people from + Philippines, all around Europe and many other types of Christians in + between. So for me the definition of who is a proper Christian is rather + loose. I guess I would keep the basic Creeds of the Church (Apostles’ Creed, + Nicene Creed, etc.), but not sure who further I would like to limit. I would + certainly welcome Roman Catholics and Orthodox, even to the celebration of + the Lord’s Supper and other sacraments, but I am afraid they prefer their + own communities. + +3. I really don’t see, why I would have to have 100% trust in the human + leadership of the community. I do believe in leadership of the Holy Spirit + over whole Church (“gates of hell won’t prevail over it”), but I do not + identify this whole Church with any particular humanly-visible institution. + For any such institution (be it a denomination or particular congregation) + I don‘t expect more certain leadership than for my family. And it is more + important for me as a husband that I am willing to accept my mistake (or + sin), ask God for help, and retarget. That is more important (and more + useful) than having 100% certainty that I am always right (I am not, and + I believe pope/bishops/priests/etc. are not either). It is probably worthy + of emphasizing I believe in the Universal Priesthood of all believers, so + I don‘t see any substantial difference between so called priests and so + called lay people. Of course, pastor is somebody who has calling from God to + work as an authority in the Church and I expect him to have proper training + etc. However, he is no different than a brain surgeon in his job. Of course, + I wouldn’t question his expertise (without really strong reasons and + evidence, perhaps even second opinion) and if I was his subordinate, then + I should submit to his authority. Besides “[…] all things must be done + properly and in an orderly manner.” (1Co 14:40), so every rebellion in the + Church is prima facie suspicious. + + Sorry, that was a bit tangential, but what I wanted to say is that I don‘t + expect from the Church leadership more certainty than in my decision as + a father of family. Of course, in the end, my trust in the Church not being + prevailed by the gates of hell is based on the mercy of God, not on 100% + infallibility of the Church leadership. + +.. _`How Many Theologians Does it Take To Define Infallibility?`: + http://www.patheos.com/blogs/catholicauthenticity/2017/08/many-theologians-take-define-infallibility/ |