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+ <B>Matej Cepl</B>
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+ <I>Fri Sep 1 05:26:49 CEST 2006</I>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+so now the real problem I am dealing with -- mail2news bidirectional
+gateway.
+
+On leafnode 1.* I used mail2news patch by Nikita Youschenko
+(<A HREF="http://zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su/leafnode/">http://zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su/leafnode/</A> -- I wonder something like that has
+not been included in leafnode 2.*, it would make great fit IMHO, but I know
+I am not a programmer, and I won't do it, so I shut up on this), so I have
+to install some mail2news gateway. I tried pygn (just because it is
+packaged for Debian; any other suggestions?), but I haven't managed to
+configured it yet. This is what I did (with expected workflow):
+
+1) mail is read by my kmail (user matej) and if it is list message which
+should be gatewayed to news, it is bounced to <A HREF="https://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/mailman/listinfo/leafnode-list">news at localhost</A> -- this step
+has been working perfectly for couple of years and it has not been changed.
+
+2) news' .procmailrc contains a lot of rules like this (for news2mail):
+
+ARG = $1
+
+:<i>0 bh:
+</I>* ARG ?? local-mail-comp-boston
+|<i> pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t <A HREF="https://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/mailman/listinfo/leafnode-list">discuss at blu.org</A> -s <A HREF="https://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/mailman/listinfo/leafnode-list">ceplm at seznam.cz</A>
+</I>
+and like this (for mail2news):
+
+:<i>0 bh:
+</I>* ^List-Id:.*pkg-lyx-devel.lists.alioth.debian.org
+|<i> pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.comp.lyx-debian
+</I>
+/etc/news/local.groups is this:
+
+local.mail.comp.cambridge m Cambridge (UK) LUG
+local.mail.comp.boston m Boston LUG
+local.mail.comp.surrey m Surrey LUG
+local.mail.comp.bosto-admin m Boston admins
+local.mail.comp.oxford m Oxford LUG
+local.mail.comp.lyx-debian m Maintainer of LyX on Debian
+local.mail.comp.scottish m Scottish LUG
+local.mail.comp.northwales m NWales LUG
+local.mail.comp.southwales m SWales LUG
+local.mail.comp.czdebian m Diskuse &#269;esk&#253;ch u&#382;ivatel Debianu
+local.mail.vcfc.random m Random list z VCFC
+local.mail.vcfc.branik m Diskuse &#268;CE Bran&#237;k
+local.mail.soc.oakeshott m Conversation -- discussion about Oakeshott
+local.mail.soc.read-only m r&#367;zn&#225; RO sociologie
+local.mail.zpravy m NG pro r&#367;zn&#233; zpravodajstv&#237;
+local.test m testing group
+
+and this is /etc/news/moderators (w/o comments):
+
+## Public hierarchies with exceptions.
+fido7.*:%<A HREF="https://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/mailman/listinfo/leafnode-list">s at fido7.ru</A>
+ffm.*:%<A HREF="https://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/mailman/listinfo/leafnode-list">s at moderators.arcornews.de</A>
+fj.*:%<A HREF="https://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/mailman/listinfo/leafnode-list">s at moderators.fj-news.org</A>
+medlux.*:%<A HREF="https://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/mailman/listinfo/leafnode-list">s at news.medlux.ru</A>
+nl.*:%<A HREF="https://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/mailman/listinfo/leafnode-list">s at nl.net</A>
+relcom.*:%<A HREF="https://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/mailman/listinfo/leafnode-list">s at moderators.relcom.ru</A>
+ukr.*:%<A HREF="https://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/mailman/listinfo/leafnode-list">s at sita.kiev.ua</A>
+
+# local groups are moderated by <A HREF="https://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/mailman/listinfo/leafnode-list">news at localhost</A>
+local.*:news+%<A HREF="https://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/mailman/listinfo/leafnode-list">s at localhost</A>
+
+# and all gmane stuff should be posted directly
+# gmane does its own thing on it
+gmane.*:
+
+## Direct all other public hierarchies to the master moderator database.
+*:%<A HREF="https://www.dt.e-technik.uni-dortmund.de/mailman/listinfo/leafnode-list">s at moderators.isc.org</A>
+
+Even though (according to ~news/log-procmail) all messages seem to be
+running correctly, I don't get a message with moderated newsgroups.
+However, without moderating newsgroups, I don't know how to make work
+sending emails from leafnode to email.
+
+Any thoughts or help, please?
+
+Best,
+
+Mat&#283;j
+
+--
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+
+Home is where ~/.bashrc is.
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+ <B>Matej Cepl</B>
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+<PRE>Matej Cepl wrote:
+&gt;<i> so now the real problem I am dealing with -- mail2news bidirectional
+</I>&gt;<i> gateway.
+</I>
+I tried everything, but I am just not able to make it working. So I have to
+ask again: is there any leafnode-style (aka &quot;for dummies&quot;) HOWTO for
+mail2news bi-directional gateway? The most far I got is that I have all my
+local newsgroups unmoderated, so I at least get messages to them. When I
+switch them to moderated, a) I don't get any messages to read, b) no
+messages are posted anyway. Details of how I tried (see above in this
+thread).
+
+Can anybody help me please?
+
+Thanks a lot,
+
+Mat&#283;j
+
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+
+See, when the GOVERNMENT spends money, it creates jobs; whereas
+when the money is left in the hands of TAXPAYERS, God only knows
+what they do with it. Bake it into pies, probably. Anything to
+avoid creating jobs.
+ -- Dave Barry
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+On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 11:14:01AM +0200, Matthias Andree wrote:
+> fetches group articles faster (thanks to pipelining ARTICLE or
+> HEAD/BODY commands).
+
+Which was a big issue when Cornelius and I worked on this in
+1999/2000 when many people still had expensive dial-up
+connections that were not fully utilized by fetchnews.
+
+> Official mail2news gatewaying isn't integrated and probably suffers from
+> the usual "Message-ID are unique per server" problem that impairs messages
+> sent to several lists at the same time. I don't know the state of J=F6rg
+> Dietrich's prior works or views on this either.
+
+I run a mail2news gateway for three or four mailing lists on my
+computer. I wrote a python programme for this. It is available
+from <http://www.astro.uni-bonn.de/~dietrich/mail2news/>. The
+program lacks documentation and testing by a wider audience,
+which is the reason for its "alpha status". However, the program
+has been working for me for the last 2 years without any need of
+intervention. But I have very little feedback from others.
+
+Mail2news.py tries to circumvent the problem of unique
+Message-IDs by cross-posting to newsgroups corresponding to the
+mailing lists the original mail was sent to. Because
+cross-mailing does not happen with the few mailing list I am
+subscribed to this feature is anything but well tested.
+
+> It is alpha because I don't care too much for compatibility between
+> leafnode-2 versions until I'm happy with it (not much work has been done
+> to leafnode-2 in the past weeks since I've been busy with difficult
+> fetchmail bug fixes). Else, I know of few bugs that hinder daily
+> personal use and am usually quick to fix bugs given the report is
+> substantiated (for instance, with a stack backtrace).
+
+As someone who contributed a substantial amount of code in the
+past, I find this a very frustrating status. Since 2000 leafnode-2
+provides significant improved features over leafnode-1. I have
+been using leafnode-2 in production mode for four or five years
+now. I really do not understand what keeps you from releasing it
+instead of keeping it in alpha stage for 5 years and still
+supporting leafnode-1, which has been technically obsoleted by
+many improvements in leafnode-2.
+
+Cheers,
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+From ceplm@seznam.cz Fri Sep 1 13:51:25 2006
+Message-Id: <pslks3xh02.ln2@chelcicky.vysocina>
+From: Matej Cepl <ceplm@seznam.cz>
+Subject: pygn as a mail2news gateway
+Newsgroups: gmane.network.leafnode
+Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 23:26:49 -0400
+User-Agent: KNode/0.10.2
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+Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
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+
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+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
+Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit
+
+Hi,
+
+so now the real problem I am dealing with -- mail2news bidirectional
+gateway.
+
+On leafnode 1.* I used mail2news patch by Nikita Youschenko
+(http://zigzag.lvk.cs.msu.su/leafnode/ -- I wonder something like that has
+not been included in leafnode 2.*, it would make great fit IMHO, but I know
+I am not a programmer, and I won't do it, so I shut up on this), so I have
+to install some mail2news gateway. I tried pygn (just because it is
+packaged for Debian; any other suggestions?), but I haven't managed to
+configured it yet. This is what I did (with expected workflow):
+
+1) mail is read by my kmail (user matej) and if it is list message which
+should be gatewayed to news, it is bounced to news@localhost -- this step
+has been working perfectly for couple of years and it has not been changed.
+
+2) news' .procmailrc contains a lot of rules like this (for news2mail):
+
+ARG = $1
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-mail-comp-boston
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t discuss@blu.org -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+and like this (for mail2news):
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^List-Id:.*pkg-lyx-devel.lists.alioth.debian.org
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.comp.lyx-debian
+
+/etc/news/local.groups is this:
+
+local.mail.comp.cambridge m Cambridge (UK) LUG
+local.mail.comp.boston m Boston LUG
+local.mail.comp.surrey m Surrey LUG
+local.mail.comp.bosto-admin m Boston admins
+local.mail.comp.oxford m Oxford LUG
+local.mail.comp.lyx-debian m Maintainer of LyX on Debian
+local.mail.comp.scottish m Scottish LUG
+local.mail.comp.northwales m NWales LUG
+local.mail.comp.southwales m SWales LUG
+local.mail.comp.czdebian m Diskuse českých uživatel Debianu
+local.mail.vcfc.random m Random list z VCFC
+local.mail.vcfc.branik m Diskuse ČCE Braník
+local.mail.soc.oakeshott m Conversation -- discussion about Oakeshott
+local.mail.soc.read-only m různá RO sociologie
+local.mail.zpravy m NG pro různé zpravodajství
+local.test m testing group
+
+and this is /etc/news/moderators (w/o comments):
+
+## Public hierarchies with exceptions.
+fido7.*:%s@fido7.ru
+ffm.*:%s@moderators.arcornews.de
+fj.*:%s@moderators.fj-news.org
+medlux.*:%s@news.medlux.ru
+nl.*:%s@nl.net
+relcom.*:%s@moderators.relcom.ru
+ukr.*:%s@sita.kiev.ua
+
+# local groups are moderated by news@localhost
+local.*:news+%s@localhost
+
+# and all gmane stuff should be posted directly
+# gmane does its own thing on it
+gmane.*:
+
+## Direct all other public hierarchies to the master moderator database.
+*:%s@moderators.isc.org
+
+Even though (according to ~news/log-procmail) all messages seem to be
+running correctly, I don't get a message with moderated newsgroups.
+However, without moderating newsgroups, I don't know how to make work
+sending emails from leafnode to email.
+
+Any thoughts or help, please?
+
+Best,
+
+Matěj
+
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+
+Home is where ~/.bashrc is.
+ -- from Usenet
+
+--nextPart1312693.60ImoN5RI4
+Content-Type: text/plain; name=".procmailrc"
+Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit
+Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=".procmailrc"
+
+PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin
+LOGFILE=$HOME/log-procmail
+VERBOSE=yes
+
+# Note: The $1 contains value only _IF_ procmail
+# is invoked with option -m or -a (with an argument).
+# Be sure procmail is invoked with that oprion either as from
+# LDA or ~/.forward.
+#
+# $1 is pseudo variable and it can't be used in condition line,
+# so we copy the value to ARG.
+
+ARG = $1
+
+#:0 fwh
+#* ! ^List-Post:
+#* ^Mailing-List:
+#| sed -e '/^-\{6,\}\s*Yahoo\!\s*Groups\s*Sponsor/,$d' yahoo-groups-message.txt \
+#| sed -e :a -e '/^\n*$/{$d;N;};/\n$/ba'
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-mail-comp-boston
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t discuss@blu.org -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-mail-comp-lyx-debian
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t pkg-lyx-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-mail-comp-boston
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t discuss@blu.org -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-mail-comp-bosto-admin
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t bblisa@bblisa.org -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-mail-comp-surrey
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t surrey@mailman.lug.org.uk -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-mail-comp-scottish
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t scottish@mailman.lug.org.uk -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-mail-comp-northwales
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t northwales@mailman.lug.org.uk -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-mail-comp-southwales
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t discuss@swlug.org -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-mail-comp-oxford
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t oxlug@lists.oxlug.org -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-mail-comp-cambridge
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t clug@cambridge-lug.org -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-mail-comp-czdebian
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t czdebian-l@debian.cz -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-mail-vcfc-random
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t vcfgb-random@yahoogroups.com -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-mail-vcfc-branik
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t cebranik@pandora.cz -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-mail-soc-goffman
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t goffman@mail.lsit.ucsb.edu -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-mail-soc-oakeshott
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t conversation@jiscmail.ac.uk -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+:0 bh:
+* ARG ?? local-test
+| pygn2m -l $HOME/log-pygn2m -d -t matej@localhost -s ceplm@seznam.cz
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^Subject: *test
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.test
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^List-Id:.*pkg-lyx-devel.lists.alioth.debian.org
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.comp.lyx-debian
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^List-Id:.*discuss.blu.org
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.comp.boston
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^List-Id:.*bblisa.bblisa.org
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.comp.bosto-admin
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^List-Id:.*surrey.mailman.lug.org.uk
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.comp.surrey
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^List-Id:.*scottish.mailman.lug.org.uk
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.comp.scottish
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^List-Id:.*northwales.mailman.lug.org.uk
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.comp.northwales
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^List-Id:.*discuss.swlug.org
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.comp.southwales
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^List-Id:.*oxlug.lists.oxlug.org
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.comp.oxford
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^List-Id:.*clug.cambridge-lug.org
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.comp.cambridge
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^List-Id:.*czdebian-l.debian.cz
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.comp.czdebian
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^Mailing-List:.*(vcfgb|vcfc)-(announce|random)@yahoogroups.com
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.vcfc.random
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^List-Post:.*cebranik@pandora.cz
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.vcfc.branik
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^List-Post:.*goffman.mail.lsit.ucsb.edu
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.soc.goffman
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^To:.*CONVERSATION@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.soc.oakeshott
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^To:.*(@JISCMAIL.AC.UK|PILN@COLUMBIA.EDU|UMD-LPBR-FULL@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU)
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.soc.read-only
+
+:0 bh:
+* ^From:.*(googlealerts-noreply@google.com|alerts@yahoo-inc.com|robot@radio.cz)
+| pygm2n -l $HOME/log-pygm2n -d -n local.mail.zpravy
+
+--nextPart1312693.60ImoN5RI4--
+
+