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It will be good when we get a commit-able web interface +and/or email interface going. + +> Isn't there a bzr web interface that at least supports creating +> tarballs/zips? It is pretty standard functionality for most other VCS' +> web interfaces so I'm guessing there must be, but loggerhead seems not +> to support it. + +Unfortunately, people would still need bzr to install the versioned source: + + libbe/_version.py: + bzr version-info --format python > $@ + +So you'll need a "release" target in the makefile to build a bzr-less +install. While you're at it, you should probably compile the manpage +too to remove the docbook-to-man dependency. + +Do people want a HEAD tarball too? There must be a bzr equivalent of + .git/hooks/post-update +but I don't know what it is. + +> > If you're worried about stability, just clone from a more stable branch +> > (i.e., Chris' trunk). I think > this is good for distributed development, +> > but maybe makes it hard to package into a conventional release-based system. +> > With the bzr patch number in setup.py as the patch release number, I would be +> > releasing my 0.1.363 while Chris releases his 0.1.314, even though they're at +> > about the same point. I would rather be releasing my +> > 0.1.20090714121347 +> > while Chris releases his +> > 0.1.20090713154540 +> > Since then the similarity is clearer. +> +> Both approaches seem pretty odd to me, as a user you would have no +> idea if 0.1.200910302359 has the fixes you required in a release you +> were using that was numbered 0.1.200907141554. Surely you'd at least be +> {pre,suf}fixing a branch name to the version. + +"be --version" currently gives you the revision id: + wking@drexel.edu-20090714121347-c6rloikst1t3m5yl +which tells you exactly which commit your installed version is based on. +If we want stick with revision numbers, how about: + major.minor.revno-branch_nick +But then we'd have to pick "unique" branch nicknames... + +I'd sliced out the timestamp portion of the revision id so that the +"patch-number" would be an integer and the branch name wasn't +references, so that "upgrading" from one branch to another could be +transparent to the users (who just see an increading timestamp), but +still available to the developers (who know when commits were made to +the branches they track, and the likelyhood of to-the-second commit +collisions in official packages is small). + +On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 12:54:05AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: +> "W. Trevor King" <wking@drexel.edu> writes: +> +> > On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:36:26PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote: +> > > Please, no. Timestamps aren't version strings, that's conflating two +> > > pieces of information with very different meanings. Correlating the +> > > two is the job of a changelog. +> > +> > Which we don't bother keeping (also NEWS), since "bzr log" works so +> > nicely. +> +> That's not a changelog, that's a commit log of every source-level commit +> made. Far too much detail for a changelog of *user-visible* changes +> associated with a release. + +I need a user around to help me determine "user-visable" changes ;). +My labmates loose interest after be init/new/comment :p. None of +which has ever changed, other than set-root -> init ;). + +> > The timestamp should at least replace the patch release number, which +> > you agree is-desirable-to increase motonically ;). +> +> I still disagree that a timestamp is the right thing to use there. If +> you want a monotonically-increasing indicator of which revision we're up +> to, that's immediately available with the revision number from VCS on +> the main branch. That also has the advantage of producing consecutive +> numbers for each revision, by definition. + +But not during branch-switches, while my method skips large regions, +but probably increases during any reasonable branch-switch. For +example, when I upgraded to rich root to pull Ben's patch, I'm not +sure if Chris upgraded the trunk and merged my branch, or just ditched +the trunk and cloned my branch. Using actual bzr revision numbers +would make switching branches that either wrong (in the case of +rev-id decreases) or confusing (in the case of a single +non-consecutive increase). + +On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 11:11:31AM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: +> > I agree that's a problem. I think the solution is to start making +> > releases, with specific version strings, as source tarballs. +> +> I'm happy to do this if people think it would be useful, and I don't +> yet have a strong opinion on whether the releases should come with +> version numbers or timestamps. + +I imagine the news from 2006 to now will be somewhat abridged ;). + +-- +This email may be signed or encrypted with GPG (http://www.gnupg.org). +The GPG signature (if present) will be attached as 'signature.asc'. +For more information, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy + +My public key is at http://www.physics.drexel.edu/~wking/pubkey.txt |